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以下是引用[I]烽火A寒魂[/I]在2006-8-7 20:43:00的发言:[BR]<p><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">回14樓</span></p><p><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">先看帖再回吧,笑話</span></p>
那区区几万人去打曹魏,更是笑话
综合国力是决定战争胜负的最基本因素!
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再次请问对方辩友可以明确的告诉大家北伐时魏蜀双方的实力对比么?!!
以下是引用[I]烽火A寒魂[/I]在2006-8-7 20:40:00的发言:[BR]<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">经过诸葛亮在外交、内政方面的努力,蜀汉出现了“田畴辟,仓廪实,器械利,蓄积饶”的富强局面。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><br/></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">曹睿即位之后</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">孙资提出守险致敌的策略</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">重点防吴的趋势更加明显</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">司马懿也确定宜用水陆两路大举伐吴</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><br/></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">夷陵战后,魏国已经不把蜀汉放在眼里</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,"</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">国家以蜀中惟有刘备</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">.</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">备既死</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">数岁寂然无声</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">是以略无备预</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">".</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">蜀道艰险</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">又为东吴所败</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">曹魏的方针先吴后蜀</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">关中空虚</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">对于诸葛亮的北伐</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">确是良机</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><br/></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">因此,诸葛亮北伐并非是不合时宜的卤莽行为,而是经过周密筹划和准备的军事行动。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><br/></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">从结果来看</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">曹魏</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">"</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">朝野恐惧</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">陇右</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">祁山尤甚</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">",</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">于是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">"</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">南安</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">安定</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">天水三郡叛魏应亮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">",</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">起到了预计的作用</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><br/></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">至于其后发生的各种变故</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">正如诸葛亮所说</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">"</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">至于成败利钝</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">非臣之明所能逆睹也</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">",</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">但出师北伐的战略并没有错</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><br/></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">不以成败论英雄,不能因为北伐没有成功就否定北伐的积极意义</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><br/></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">诸葛亮之所以屡次北伐,正是看到拖的越久形势越是对蜀汉不利。纵使在敌我双方的客观情况都不适合进行北伐的前提下,诸葛亮仍然选择了北伐。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><br/></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">诸葛亮北伐的成绩有目共睹。魏国一直苦于边事,乃至明确影响到国内治生,麦谷不收,天下少食。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><br/></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">选择北伐,犹有一线生机;被动防守,只能是坐以待毙。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><p></p></span></p>
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